May 23, 2025
In this episode Mark interviews author and artist C L Fors about
her recent award win with Writers of the Future and her life in
writing and illustration.
Prior to the interview, Mark shares comments from recent
episodes, a personal update, and a word about this episode's
sponsor.

This episode is sponsored by an affiliate link to Manuscript Report. Use code MARK5
at checkout and save $5.00 off your own personalized report.
In the interview, Mark and Cherrie talk about:
- Cherrie's recent win as an illustrator for Writers and
Illustrators of the Future for Volume 41 of the annual
anthology
- Entering the contest as both a writer and an illustrator every
quarter since 2016
- How Cherrie can be creative in both writing and illustrating
based on the same spark of inspiration. Sometimes it comes out
first as a story and then later as an illustration, sometimes vice
versa
- The process of how illustrator winners of Writers and
Illustrators of the Future are "teamed up" with a writer
winner
- Cherrie's four-book epic science fiction series - which is a
story about people re-claiming self-determination
- The graphic novel Cherrie is working on which, at first, she
wasn't sure what medium it was going to emerge into
- How a lot of the skills that Cherrie initially learned about
art was self-taught, before she received more formal
instruction
- Learning the right time to make that creative jump as a
creator
- How when she is in the midst of the process of creating,
regardless of whether it is writing or art, Cherrie feels most
alive
- Taking a step back to understand if she's taking realistic
stock of her time and energy
- The challenge of getting sucked in to social media
- Ensuring that you're not being too hard on yourself
- How Cherrie cannot remember a time when she was not doing both
art and writing
- Publishing her first work (a magazine that had her stories,
poetry and art) and selling copies of it door-to-door when she was
9 years old in order to earn money to make a purchase
- Getting her Masters in Publishing at Western Colorado
University and continuing the program in Genre fiction to get her
MFA
- Seeing and representing herself as BOTH a writer and an
illustrator
- Using C L Fors for both her art and her writing
- Learning that she has to "go with the flow" and use the time
she has to approach her various tasks as an author, an illustrator,
a wife, and a mother
- Advice that Cherrie would give her younger self
- How rejection is just a lesson
- What is next for Cherrie
- And more . . .
After the interview Mark reflects on a few things that were
discussed including Cherrie's advice on continuing to do something
once you find the thing that you love.
Links of Interest:
CL Fors lives and breathes stories in multiple
mediums: the written word, illustration in watercolor, acrylic,
digital, and ink, and the creation of custom jewelry and other
artifacts of story. She is an artist with a myriad of interests and
experiences that inform and flavor her writing and illustrating. A
multipotentialite, mother, author, and adventurer, CL is a science
and science-fiction enthusiast with a passion for research based
sci-fi, fantasy, horror, and speculative fiction in general. She
has at various times in her life been a film actor, military
intelligence linguist in the Arabic language, a doula, childbirth
educator, and student midwife for birthing, as well as a
bellydancer.
Cherrie and her husband, Jason P. Crawford, founded the indie
publishing house Epitome Press and together bring the work of
talented authors out of the brambles and into the light of day.
CL’s debut novel, Progeny is the first installment of the
Primogenitor series.The second installment, Breach of Mars is
available on Amazon as are the third and fourth books in the
series, Crowning of Mars and Futures of Mars.
The introductory, end, and bumper music for this podcast
(“Laser Groove”) was composed and produced by Kevin MacLeod of
www.incompetech.com and is
Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0