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Stark Reflections on Writing and Publishing

Jan 19, 2024

Mark interviews Elizabeth Andre (AKA Karen and Victoria) about her/their journey through writing, collaboration, and the new book SELF-PUBLISHING LESBIAN FICTION.

Prior to the interview, Mark reads comments from recent episodes and shares a word about this episode's sponsor.

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In their conversation, Karen, Victoria, and Mark talk about:

  • The background of how Karen and Victoria got started as writers, and then about how they met and why they started writing together
  • Karen's earliest memories coming up with playtime stories with her younger brother that took on a "soap opera" and "serialized" format
  • The concept of how to earn money that came down to one of two things: Sell drugs, or write porn
  • Researching the writing of gay male porn by getting magazines and reading through them
  • Coming up with numerous ephamisms for the male sex organ appendage
  • How Victoria comes from a long list of writers, including her father and how she wanted to be anything BUT a writer
  • The two of them each discovering the joy and the magical allure that is journalism
  • Being one of the many writers who was "Sherry Lovelace" for the UK edition of Penthouse Magazine
  • Meeting at a Gay Journalist Convention and clicking, but not really having that much in common
  • Discovering that, despite the "common wisdom" from traditional publishing, money could be made from writing lesbian fiction. That shift, of course, came from the rise of self-publishing
  • Who the readers of gay male fiction and lesbian fiction are
  • The origin of the pen name Elizabeth Andre
  • Some of the logistics of how the two write together
  • Who the book Self-Publishing Lesbian Fiction is for, with an analogy of an off-the-rack suit and a tailored suit
  • The tally of the $35 and $45 dollars owed from various publishers and platforms
  • The term and use of "Sapphic Fiction" and how it is more inclusive of lesbian, bi-sexual, trans, and non-binary
  • Some of the barriers that arise when writing lesbian fiction
  • How self-publishing can overcome so many of the barriers within traditional publishing
  • And more...


After the interview, Mark reflects on a couple of topics brought up, specifically "serialized playtime stories" and the "tailored" work of writers.


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Elizabeth Andre has been self-publishing lesbian fiction since 2014. She writes cozy paranormal mystery, lesbian romance, science fiction, and young adult stories. Before turning her hand to fiction, she was a newspaper reporter for many years, and she has the paper cuts to prove it. She has won many writing awards including a Goldie from the Golden Crown Literary Society for fiction and a Peter Lisagor Award from the Chicago Headline Club for journalism. Elizabeth Andre is actually two people, a married interracial same-sex couple (Karen and Victoria) living in the Midwest.


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